Shumacher's penalty

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  1. Dale H.

    Dale H. Member

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    Does anyone know what penalty the Army car received for not shutting the car off when Rick Stewart told them to? If it was me, they would more than likely tell me to go home and never come back!
     
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  2. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    $20k

    They got a $20k slap on the wrist. I'll go on the record as saying they should have been kicked out, at bare minimum had points taken away.

    It's not that I have anything against that team, but I don't think any alcohol racers would have just gotten a fine for blowing the starter off and staging the car.

    I also think there's a problem when the starter tells a guy to shut off then still gives him the tree...
     
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  3. bryanbrown

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    I didn't get to see any of it, when did it happen, and what was wrong with the car?
     
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  4. O.J.D.

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    From what I understand he was leaking oil after the burnout. He was given the sign more than once to shut down, but the whole team ignored it.

    I agree with Will, the penalty should have been much more harsh. Now the window is open for anyone to ignore the officials to suit their own needs for a small fine in comparison of how much money is at stake. I think they should impliment a system to immediately set the tree for a single and turn on the red light in a case like this. The driver should see a red light in his side of the tree as a signal to kill the motor as well as the starters hand signals.
     
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  5. eli

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    What's the point penalty for oiling the track in top fuel? Doug is only 14 points behind Toony, would it even matter? :rolleyes:
     
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    Points implication

    According to Mike Dunn, There was going to be a 20k fine and a 10 point loss. According to my inside sources, there were no points deducted from Shumachers total. Even with the 10 point reduction, Tony would have still won the title by 4 points. I thought there was an automatic loss of 20 or 25 points for an oil down. Even if Shoe had some freebies his team still deliberately ignored the "CHIEF" Starter. That should account for more than a 10 point loss. Up until that race i had a world of admiration for Alan Johnson that stemmed way before his Shumacher days. But hey that's just my 2 cents.
     
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  7. Chuck Stevens

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    Somehow, when you've got BIG BUX, like they have....rules get changed or ignored. It's happened before. Welcome to NHRA drag racing.:mad:
     
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  8. DQUES

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    They got special treatment period . 20k means nothing to that team . Points should have been taken away , or they should have been escorted out of the facility for ignoring the starter . What kind of message does this send to other racers as far as listening to Rick Stewart ?. Who is really running the nhra ?. I would love to hear Connies take on the story .
     
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  9. Ron C

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    Well, this was certainly unusal. But some things have not been brought to light here to be considered. AJ says he did not see Rick S motion to kill the engine. And the video showing all partys on the starting line pretty much reflects that. And Rick S walked right by AJ to activate the tree and said nothin. Go figure!
    Tony was certainly not in a position to see behind him and determine what was going on or who might be doing something with the engine. Shuting down a nitro motor without knowing what is going on with crew members behind him, he was probably waiting for the crew chief to say it's safe to shut down.
    Yes I understand that the starter has rule over the starting line. But if I was sitting in that seat at that very moment I probably would have done the same as Tony.
    There were a lot of errors there and the blame can be easly spread around in the moment of confusion.
    That's my thought's anyway.........blessings.........Ron Clevenger.
     
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  10. michael hall

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    The Iceman

    Well, Rick did give the shut off sign a few times, but nobody seemed to care. Is it because it is Schumacher Racing, or was everyone so pumped up the they didn't see it? Is Don above us all?
    But then, Rick did just walk away and flip the switch. If he is the chief starter, should he have walked infront of Tony and made him kill the motor? It seems like HE is the one to blame.
     
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    If the started saw oil on the ground under the car then he should never have started the tree, all he would have had to do was throw the redlight on that side and tell doug that he has a bye..



    Lanny
     
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  12. ATC Racing

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    Where are you Buster?

    What do you think Buster Couch would have done??? Hit the fuel shut offs and kill switch for him or unbuckled him and walked off???
    It would have been funny
     
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  13. eli

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    I never tought I would see the day N.H.R.A.would get as crook'et as all the rest of sports, but hey thats what happens when you got people in Vegas betting on the out come, wonder what the odds were? :rolleyes:
     
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    Two indisputeable facts: 1- He oiled the track
    2 - The rulebook specifically states points penalties
    for oildowns.

    I'm not sure how many points are taken away for oildowns but I believe it's a graduating scale where the first one is 10 and the next one is 15 or 20. I do believe Tony oiled the track more than once early in the season.

    If the rules call for more than 14 points to have been taken away, Doug and or Conrad would stand a good chance in a courtroom. If I were either of them I would be considering a boycot of the NHRA.
     
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    Not trying to stir anything Ron .AJ did say he did not see the sign but Tony said he did see Stewart give the shut off sign.Should Tony ignore that ?I don't know
     
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  16. Will Hanna

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    No spin zone...

    See what the spin doctors have done....

    "oh but Alan didn't see him, so it's ok"....

    since when did the starter have to tell the crew chief to shut off????

    all spin/bs aside tony clearly saw rick stewart tell him to shut off.

    as a driver, there's a bit of confusion in that moment. you're wondering what the hell is going on. you have that last straw of hope your cc found the problem and it can be fixed. but at the same time, when you get told more than once, you should just kill it right then.

    it's just a big mess. luckily nobody got hurt and we're just bitching about it. it's not that far fetched bad things could have happened.

    any alky racer that pulled that stunt would have been told, not asked to leave the property immediately, and don't come back...i have a real problem with preferential treatment.
     
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  17. Kevin Brown

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    Well, Will it would depend on who's name is on the car of course....

    Wait....you are right....big names don't hang with the red-headed step-childeren!

    KB
     
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    Schumacher racing should have been fined points. Not listening to the officals has to be worst than oiling down a lane with a hurt engine. Stewart should be suspended for walking face to face with Johnson and turning his head like a puss. If he is in charge of the starting line, he failed to do his job.
     
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    Schumacher T/F TEAM should have been DENIED any further participation
    for the remainder of that event, for disobaying an official on the track.
    #1 , if a official tells you or asks you to do something, you (per rule book)
    are obligated to oblige.....
    shut the car off,....ignored,..shut your car off,,,..YOUR OUT OF HERE
    or maybe they could put him at the back of the field #16 spot or
    put him a lap down....lmao

    #2 duhhhh.....your leaking oil, and theres oil on your tire,,NO SAFETY HERE.

    #3 anybody else WOULD HAVE BEEN shut off, and if ignored, BOOTED

    BOTTOM LINE ,TONY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DNQ FOR FAILURE TO COMPLY
    WITH THE CHIEF STARTER.
    MONEY IN THE POCKET....LOL...LET EM RUN
     
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  20. blwnaway

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    I agree that he should have shut off when he saw the starter tell him to, however he also was probably looking for his crew as is the usual when there is a problem and then the tree was activated which is also a way of telling him "false alarm, sorry" so there is fault on both side of the fence here. I think that since there was fault with both parties then it should be a wash. But thats just my opinion.
     
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