Idle EGT`s

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  1. B/AA813

    B/AA813 New Member

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    How can idle EGT`s kept closer together. I´am using the enderle BAU injector with 6 nozzles along with 2 nozzles in the back of a 14-71 HH retro plus the ports.
    Engine is a 375 big chevy.
    As the ports are non active at idle i ask myself how this is done. As i raise the
    idle speed, temperatures come lot closer. Car is a powerglide appl. so idle
    speed cant`be raised more than 1850 in my case.
    Will playing with the injector nozzle size be the cure?

    any help would be appreciated

    BJ
     
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  2. ITS IN MY BLOOD

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    what is your pump pressure at idle ???
    what pressure do your port nozzles open at ??

    you might want to fatten up the barrel valve a flat or so.

    at a idle,..low pressure the amount of fuel going into the motor
    goes in where there is the least resistance,..as you come up in rpm the pressure increases equalling out threw all of the nozzle areas

    Increasing the hat nozzle sizes wont change individule cylinder
    temps, but will help overall temps across the board.
    also if increasing hat nozzle sizes your nozzle area will change and you will need to compensate for that elsewhere in the fuel system.

    how much overdrive is on the blower ???
     
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    at 1800 to 1850 idle rpm, pump pressure varies between 12 and 21 psi,
    ports open at 16 to 17 psi
    blower od. is 25%

    temperatures of cyl. 1 + 2 are around 380° all other are appr. 150 higher.

    any thoughts?
     
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    what are the egt`s like during the run ??
    does your motor surge at idle, or is idle constant smooth ??
     
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    uneven at idle

    My tuneup guy says don't pay attention to the temps at idle, especially if you aren;t using dribblers. Just pay attention to them at WOT.
     
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  6. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    head temp

    cylinder head temp is more important than egt at idle or stage.

    a hot head will be far more prone to detonate the same fuel mixture that a cool head will. 'x' egt at idle/stage does not always correlate to the same cylinder head temp at idle/stage, thus the need to monitor it.
     
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    What's the best way to monitor cyl head temps?
     
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    There are probe sensores you can put into the cylinder heads that your
    computer can read from,one in each head tapped and screwed into...
    ..or,
    ..a company named mcmasters ???? or something like that, make these
    heat strips you can place on the heads and see actual head temps.
     
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    that would be mcmaster carr
     
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  10. Mike Canter

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    Does anyone know who to get the temp sensors that screw into the heads so I can add one to my data logger.
     
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  11. OKC-Oilie

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    Mike, check with Randy McMahon at RPM Performance. He's building 3/8-16 thread screw in sensors for his system. I think with the proper calibration data they should work with most any recorder.

    http://www.rpmperf.com is the website.

    Wayne
     
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    Thanks guys.
     
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    Danny, I believe that temp sensor goes under the spark plug in place of the gasket. Can't use that on a hemi. I need a sensor that will screw into the side of the head.
     
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    You sure about that Mike? Looks like it would work on any bolt hole. More importantly, did you call and ask?
     
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    The kind that you drill and tap the hole in the
    back of the head, then screw the probe into, but then
    it just reads the back cylinder head temp.
     
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    on my veney heads there is a place that is drilled and tapped on the exhaust side between the 2 cylinder heads, way up in there. The sensor from motorsports innovations is designed to be bolted to the head. Don't forget that the temp is all relative. What you want is to get consistency in the head temps and compare one run to the other, not necessarily your data with someone elses, so if you read off the back of the head and always read there, you'll know where you stand, but you can't compare someone elses #'s. Just like you should always use the same tire pressure guage every time. If you borrow someone elses it could be off and even though you thnk you have the "right" pressure, it may not ranslate.
     
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  18. WJ Birmingham

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    Danny;

    Might be a silly question, but what good is head temp if you're reading EGT?

    Is there a correlation between the two?
     
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  19. Will Hanna

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    head temp

    might sound silly, but just because your egt's are 700 at stage doesn't always equate to a certain head temp for that x stage temp. idle egt's can be misleading as a rich condition could be firing late in the pipe, giving a false hot reading.

    take for instance, first run of the day, your head temp is 160 and your egt avg at stage is 700. you make a run come back up in an hour, 90 minutes or so, maybe sooner. Well, you might have 700 egts at stage, but now that the motor has a full heat soak in it from the first run, the head temp will be higher.

    head temp is important and should be monitored. furthermore, it should be duplicated from run to run to insure the same 'combustion'. the warmer the head, the more it will be prone to detonation, even with the same fuel mixture.
     
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  20. WJ Birmingham

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    Ok, so lets say that you have 700 egts, and it is a false reading.

    If the head temp is the same from one run to the next, how would you know the egt is false?

    Would you be just as well off on a water block to take the water temp, or still take head temp?
     
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