Lost CC

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  1. Policy Peddler

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    Here is my question, where am I loosing the CC. I ordered new pistons gave the manufacturer my motor information, 4.465 bore, 4.25 stroke, chamber 117.5, gasket 4.520x .063. i wanted 11.5 comp ratio. their program told them a dome of 34 cc. when i got the pistons, the dome looks about the same as other manufactures i have for the same compression ratio, I ironically i have a probelm with that motor where it appears the compression is too high. I cc the dome came up with 28 cc, they said they did also and come up with something like 33cc, so i will use their numbers
    My computations

    Head chamber 117 cc
    Piston dome less 34
    sub total 83

    Gasket volume Plus 16.3

    sub total 99.3

    Piston in bore volume .020 5.1

    computed volume 104.4
    this is close to what it should be.
    I assembled the pieces, then rolled the motor over and filled the chamber to check the compression. It held 91 CC, which is 13.5 compression ratio, filled the cylinder MANY times and came up with the same 91cc. I figured I must be doing something wrong, so I called another shop to have them check it. I took the motor to Oddy's Automotive, Billy Leverentz was out standing, he stayed late waiting for me then we filled the chamber while i was there at 9:30 PM! He came up with the same 91 cc.

    So where is the extra volume difference between the computed 104.4 and the actual 91cc?:eek:
     
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  2. Mike Canter

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    I am trying to compute it a different way. How much is the piston down in the hole?
     
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  3. Policy Peddler

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    in the hole

    ooops .020

    i screwed with it with the programs on line. I am not even thinking of the compression ratio at this point, i am just trying to figure where the CC went!!

    the end result is I am concerned with the compression ratio.
     
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  4. Mike Canter

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    Try this website below because it gives Total Displacement Volume at the bottom. I can make it match your computation if I put it .015 in the hole but I can't make it get to 99 cc. There is an area on BAE heads at the top in the middle that always traps air regardless. I always put a measured amount of grease there. The other place is grease that is used to seal the rings. A very good friend told be to put a measured anount of grease in coke bottle plastic cap and level it off with a knife and then use it to fill in that indentation at the top of the head and also smear it on the cylinder wall before you bring the piston up. Then use the buret to fill the cap up with water to see how many CC of grease you used. You will be surprised.

    http://www.csgnetwork.com/compcalc.html
     
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  5. Policy Peddler

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    grease

    i was thinking at the time i was using a lot of grease, and i was thinking i allowed for that, but i will do another cylinder and actually measure it. thank you
     
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  6. DQUES

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    What about not using grease and putting a o-ring in the ring groove instead ? .
     
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  7. Policy Peddler

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    still lost

    used the grease filled either side of the spark plug where it looked like it might catch air.
    I used a used gasket that measures .084, so i am thinking it is a compressed .093.
    CC=98 or 12.12:1

    Called Hassel in PA they can make me thicker gaskets for $130 each or $260 a pair and 2-3 weeks.
    need to have it running the 30th
     
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  8. Mike Canter

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    I believe copper gaskets only compress about .002 -.003 inches.
     
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