Should 2 Steps Be allowed in TAD/TAFC - Driver's Poll

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Should 2 steps be allowed in TAD/TAFC?- DRIVERS ONLY!

  1. Yes

    12 vote(s)
    15.2%

  2. No

    65 vote(s)
    82.3%

  3. Undecided or Don't Care either way

    2 vote(s)
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  1. Wayne Butler

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    I understand the converter cars have a problem getting the RPM's up and that needs to be addressed.
    I am a NO. to many wires and hoses now.
    Wayne
     
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  2. bruce mullins

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    there's a whole lot more to it than just hooking up a 2-step module to a clutch car than just putting the module on the car. . Takes a switch under the clutch pedal that has to be checked every run and set to turn off between x amount from the stop along with a bypass to bleed off fuel while on the 2-step . the amount of fuel you bleed off will affect the tune-up as well as the launch rpm.
     
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  3. Creech

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  4. Barry Ferriolo

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    O K. I'll be the straight man. So tell me Creech, what do jessel rockers have to do with a 2 step?
     
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  5. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    advantage

    In regards to the 'built-in' RT advantage of the two step, it's only a temporary advantage until the inevitable happens and everyone has one....then it's back to the drivers that can cut lights. Until everyone switches, yes the guys with have a leg up on the guys who don't have it.

    As said earlier, it will take the bad to average guys and put them right up there with the best in the class at hitting their launch rpm and swapping feet.
     
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  6. Creech

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    Sorry I was drunk and just trying to pull someones chain. A few year ago I heard that they were questioning the legality of t&d's on a hemi and made some team pull them off for awhile. I thought wow shaft mount rockers are legal to put on a chevy that came with studs and rockerballs but not on a mopar that came with shafts?
     
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  7. blown375

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    Judging from the pole, it is clearly a NO vote !
    So now... Who is going to approach NHRA and get them to take notice ?

    I have a feeling if a major manufacturer is involved and they are pushing "FOR" the use of them you will be wasting you breath..... but thats just my opinion ;)
     
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  8. eli

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    Sorry about not using current terminology. I did mean a Crowerglide, Forgot that theres people on here that are 10 years old, And don't know what a glide was back in the day.:p
     
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  9. Steve Gasparrelli

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    Will,

    As you said, the window between a good and average driver will be smaller...and when the good drivers get one, it will REALLY be less of an advantage than they enjoy now...that's a shame for all the better leavers out there...they lose something in the deal and the class becomes less skillful.

    Just my take.

    SG
     
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  10. Adam Rhoades

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    Just cause somebody can cut a light with it...doesn't mean their car won't run like shit still.


    Adam Rhoades
     
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  11. Shawn Jones

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    Since I no longer have a dog in this fight I didn't vote, but if I did I would vote no.

    I figured since I have driven with both a 2 step and without one I might have good insight on the subject. Please remember everything I am about to say comes from a guy that currently DOES use a 2 step...

    First, it has been implied by some that using a 2 step does not take away from driver ability, infact some almost tried to say its harder to drive with a 2 step. My experience has shown me that the above is absolutely false. Not only is it easier to cut a light, but it takes all skill away from attempting to stage at a desired RPM. Literally all I do now is light both bulbs, and once the competitor stages I matt it (not exactly a lot of skill involved in that is there???). So some may think this is hard or harder to do, but I would have to strongly disagree.

    Second, some have said that the 2 step does not affect parts attrition. Again my experience has shown me that this simply is not true. Valve springs go quicker, belts go quicker, keepers, retainers, pistons, rings, etc... All of these have show faster wear than what we were previously used to seeing prior to using a 2 step. Now does this mean the 2 step is causing the attrition, or our tuneup? I don't know the answer to that one. I'm sure you can guess what my opinion is though...

    Third, some have said that different gearing is required, and a performance advantage is there with a 2 step. Again my experience has not shown that to be true. Yes on a 2 step increased boost is seen. Problem is the increased boost is only seen for tenths of a second. When we put the 2 step on we also thought a different gear would be needed. What we found was the "extra power" was only there for a very small portion of the run, thus the gear would hurt the run because the car simply did not have the extra power to pull it. So why do we use a 2 step u ask??? Good question LOL.

    Basically all allowing a 2 step does is take a part of driver ability out of the equation, and allow average drivers to leave at the desired RPM and let average drivers cut good lights. And in the process you shorten the life of many parts on the car.

    Shawn Jones
    TAFC 550/ AA/PM 555
     
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  12. bmoore

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    Fuel bleed

    Just wondering how ugly it would be when the fuel bypass valve fails to close at the hit?

    I don't want to be any where near it at the starting line.

    Bill Moore, Cowie TAD3
     
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  13. texas racer

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    say it from the mountain top shawn! but disagree on the parts breakage.
     
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  14. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    bypass

    Bill, in the classic words of many a racer..

    "It was hauling ass until it blew up...."

    I am sure the Pro Mod guys would have seen it by now. Its a NC fuel circuit, so that does help.
     
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  15. Ken Lowe

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    I dont dance...

    Two steps are for the ball room..
    I know I am a dinosaur but I like to think I am a “traditionalist” and if a car is stab and steer it takes a lot of the skill out of the mix. I reckon if you are going to race, learn how to drive.
    Ken Lowe
     
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  16. Creech

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    Oh... Wait till you get a load of my wireless remote multi point rev limiting tune up manager ;););)
     
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  17. underby6

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    Rumor has it it is now illegal for clutch cars.

    Brandon Booher
    NHRA TAD #34
     
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  18. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    reliable sources

    Reliable sources tell me the same. Haven't heard how they are going to enforce it, only legal on a converter car...
     
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  19. Sportsman

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  20. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    new rules

    4/6/2011
    Effective April 13, 2011, Top Alcohol Dragsters and Top Alcohol Funny Cars will not be permitted to have automated rpm-control devices (i.e., two-steps, etc.) during the staging/launching process unless they have a fully automatic transmission with a converter.

    The NHRA Competition Committee recently reviewed the original purpose of the rule and determined the intent was for use only on cars with these types of transmissions. The Competition Committee also concluded that the additional costs associated with purchasing, installing and operating these devices was not in the best interest of the class. The 2011 NHRA Rule Amendments located on NHRA.com will be updated to reflect this change.

    Also, as a reminder, racers in this class using illegal devices such as auto shifters or traction control will be subject to severe penalties.
     
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