Its time for 97% or more blower in TAD

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  1. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    Well, we have had nearly a whole season to review it, and rumors of the A/Fueler's death as a result of 98% are largely exaggerated...

    Given the lack of runs at the lower nitro percentage going into the season, there was much worry over what it was going to do to the nitro cars during the hot months. Evidently, there was enough worry a new cylinder head was developed. All three major head mfg's have developed new A/Fuel heads - Alan Johnson, Brad Anderson and Total Flow - with the new AJ 'Musclehead' being the head of choice at the moment. The new head has been a key part of the A/Fueler's continued dominance during the hot months.

    Looking back, the original percentage of 96% was bumped to 98% due in large part to testing done by Ashley Force and Duane Shields in Las Vegas, an altitude track. Well, hindsight is always 20-20, but Force hasn't exactly set the world on fire even on 98%. She's ran good when the air has been good, and really struggled once the mercury rises, or altimeter. Also, the digital hydrometers that were being used were not calibrated properly, resulting in the nitro they ran being even lower than what the hydrometer was showing. Meanwhile, nobody wanted to talk about the 5.41 Gunderson ran on 96% in testing at Bradenton...

    The A/Fuelers came out and ran in the teens almost immediately. They said wait till the summer. Tom Conway and Steve Torrence did just that. Debuting in May after the untimely and tragic death of Shelly Howard, right in the heat of summer when the A/Fuelers were supposed to be dead. All they did was win 5 of 6 national events and win 4 of 7, including a runner-up. At the event they lost in the first round- Joliet - which was in the middle of summer, they had the second quickest e.t. of the first round on an admittedly too-conservative tune-up. Additionally, they ran a 5.39 in the heat to qualify No. 1. Quite an amazing season.

    We could do a whole season re-cap but it really isn't necessary. Nearly across the board, the A/Fuelers have dominated quite handily, except when there has been altitude and heat involved. Indy was a good barometer. It wasn't dead of summer hot, but it wasn't cool either. Conway/Torrence, Snow and Olivarez were all in the mid .20's, and this year's quickest blown car, Hillary Will was in the mid .30's.

    Bottom line, there is a tenth or more disparity at 98%.

    There's two ways to fix that. Either slow the A/Fuelers down or speed the blown cars up.

    Given those options, I think 97% is the easiest fix. I don't like the fact that it once again causes the A/Fuelers to have to change again, but this is the 'knob' NHRA has chose to create parity in TAD. But, with that being said, the A/Fuel teams that are running good at 98% aren't far off from their 100% tune-ups, if you don't count the new cylinder heads. Those heads would have came out even at 100%.

    97% will knock the edge off the A/Fuelers, and make Indy where Torrence, Snow and Olivarez are running mid to low .30's and Hillary Will is running mid to low .30's. I also think at some altitude tracks, they need to come up with a factor to give them back some at tracks like Vegas.

    On the other hand there is speeding the blown cars up. There are a couple of bolt ons that might help there. A panel of top blown and A/Fuel teams at Indy two years ago agreed to let the blown cars have the C blower and digital ignition control. The C Blower would be a huge step forward. I would also support this move. Another could be speeding up the blower they have - the D blower. It would take SFI raising the OD limit on a small cubic inch motor, but with current rev limiting technology, versus what was in place when those limits were placed, I think it would be an easy change.

    More CID? That goes back to the argument of CID vs Boost per CID. However, one tuner has noted that the current 451 or 463 cid engine may be on the verge of hydraulic lock given the current boost levels with the D blower. However, Santos sure ran good with that C Blower...

    What's the result of the proposed changes. At 97%, some tweaks to the fuel system and maybe some minor changes in the bell housing. C blower, re work fuel system, buy new gear ratios for trans, and possibly new rear gears. With bigger CID, you can build up to a 500 CID motor with a short deck, with heavy mods. Anything bigger, you need to go to a standard or tall deck. To do so will require new blocks, cranks, rods, pistons, fuel systems, gears, etc.

    Given the above, this is why I support going to 97% the most. Giving the blown cars the C blower is a close second, and as a last resort, I would rather see them give the blown cars CID and more OD rather than let things stay the same.

    Not to take anything away from the great season that Steve Federlin had, but if Conway and Torrence had run out west, or if any of the cars out there had the Conway tune-up, it might have been a different story. That's four years in a row the A/Fuelers have dominated national points.

    I would urge NHRA to let the TAD racers know in Pomona what their intentions are for 2006 so they can prepare over the offseason.

    What's your thoughts?
     
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  2. Darren Smith

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    Will, since a Lot of A-Fuel hitters will be at Pomona. Be interesting to compare they're ET's with what the A-Fuel cars at the WinterNatl's ran? I doubt NHRA will allow anything for the Blown crowd, it's 97% or Bust IMO!
     
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    97% -afuelers

    Bring It On Beeeyoooocchh!!! Aint Scared
     
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  4. Crew

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    There are several blown cars for sale..............I wonder if they know something the rest of us dont?

    C'mon 97%!

    C
     
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  5. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    Any doubt?

    does vegas leave any doubts something needs to be done???

    Olivarez .31, Severance .40??? 2 A/Fuelers in the final in Vegas??

    bring on 97% or the C blower!
     
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    Just a reminder that 5 blown cars made the field.In round 2 Severance banged the blower on the burnout,he may have won that race.Will also ran 2 38's.Is this site becoming INSIDEBLOWNALCOHOL.com???Top ten POWERade points is split. D1 #1 a-fuel #2 blown D2 #1 blown #2 blown D3 #1 blown #2 a-fuel D4 #1 a-fuel #2 blown D5 #1 a-fuel #2 blown D6 #1 blown #2 blown D7 #1 Blown #2 blown Blown cars won the Championship more than four times in a row.
     
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  7. Darren Smith

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    My guess(?) is that 97% won't make much of a dent on performance. Didn't Ashley still run a 5.42 at 96% at Vegas last Jan? What's the Altitude in Vegas 2,400???
     
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  8. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    playing with the numbers

    you can play with the numbers to paint the picture there is parity.

    any way you slice it, 5.38 minus 5.30 equals .08.

    thats not just one race. .08 to .10 has been the top a/fuel cars advantage.

    there's enough a/fuelers running those numbers on a regular basis. torrence has ran away with the championship this year, but olivarez, snow, gallant, shields, windham, meyer have all ran very, very stout when it's been hot. stout as in numbers untouchable by a blown car. point is, there's enough cars running a tenth quicker than the top blown cars...ie will, federlin, demke/austin, thacker...that the entire a/fuel contingent can be rated against those numbers.

    once again in vegas, we had probably the second hottest car on the tour right now in olivarez and the hottest blown car in will. once again, we see a big gap.

    if nothing is done 1. next year will be as bad as last year was. more a/fuelers will catch on to what to do with 98%. 2. more blown teams will quit.

    as far as the site's name...it's insidetopalcohol.com. i cover the alcohol categories. i call 'em like i see em. if there's a rule change next year, and the a/fuelers are disadvantaged, i'll push for the a/fuelers. if i was all blown alcohol like you say, i wouldn't have pushed for factored tracks for the a/fuelers. i wouldn't be pushing for only 97%, not the 96% you would have started the year at.
     
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  9. Kosmo

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    Is this site becoming INSIDEBLOWNALCOHOL.com???
    it is called insidetopalcohol. Not insidetopnitromethane.com
     
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  10. afuelfreak

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    you guys are boring!!!

    blaaa blaaaa blaaaaaa !!!!!!get back to work on your hot rods ,& quit whinning , or take up a new sport, we all chose to run this class , lets take it to the next level & promote it , make it bigger use the parity issue to fill the stands & increase the pay outs & car counts & get more poeple into the class ,
     
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  11. Hokes Racing

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    I have been helping Marty This year and For him to do more work on his Hot Rod he would have to quit work because I know he Quit Sleeping to keep it as good as it was. I really like the way you A/Fuel lovers keep calling the Blown Guys whiners, I would not call it whining when you run as hard as you can and still sometimes are 2ths slower. If NHRA would let them spin money to get their cars fast most of the Blower cars would do it. The Class is not even and I really don’t thing that nhra wants it to be. With the way they have ran it the last couple years it look like they what the Blown cars to all quit:mad: :confused:

    Lanny
     
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  12. A/Fuel&HisMoney

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    Hi Everyone,

    To help slow the A/Fuelers down what do you think of changing the rear end gears to a 3.20 like in Top Fuel?

    I know it's an expensive fix, but 2.91's are hard to find and us A/Fuel guys could get used T/F sets for cheap!

    I hate the idea of less nitro for a number of reasons. Not the least of which is a toll free number I bought which ends with 98NITRO

    Let's make the Alky cars quicker, and leave the Nitro alone!
     
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  13. Will Hanna

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    things that make you go hmmm

    2 years ago, nhra checked every a/fueler at indy's rear gear ratio. at the time, a 3.20 gear was going to be the fix.

    the tech guy said every car except for one had a 2.90. the 3.20 rule to slow them down was never heard again.....
     
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  14. nitrohawk

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    Gear Ratio

    Could it just be that the world champion that year was running the 3.20 gear??? You figure it out.
     
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  15. Woodchip

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    So make them run 3:40 gears !! I dont see how one percent of a change to 97% is going to do anything as it didnt do much towards the end of this season. If NHRA insists on a fuel percentage let it be 94 to 96%
     
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  16. race fan 98

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    97% is not the answer. You complain that nitro cars have dominated the national championship for four years, Rick Santos (a blown car) won the championship five years in a row. The reason none of the blown cars can run good is because all of the good ones have quit. It takes a few years for everyone to figure things out and just because none of the blown guys have, doesn't mean they won't. You all need to get a life and stop trying to cause trouble.
     
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  17. race fan 98

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    As far as i'm concerned, the reason the a/fuelers can run faster is because they dont' waste all their time on here complaining. Maybe you should get a life
     
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  18. was R4K

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    tt tubono was preferable and less nasty than racefan????is this a discussion board or a bashing board?
     
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  19. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    post a name

    until your man enough to post a name behind your comments, the thing is, nobody really cares what your concerned about.

    if you want to discuss an issue, we encourage objective debates. the bs namecalling isn't welcome here. keep it up, and you'll be banned from this site.
     
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  20. race fan 98

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    i'm sorry for offending anyone, i was just speaking my mind. it's awful hard for me to be "man enough" when i'm a girl. no more name calling, i promise
     
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