Arias vs MBR

Discussion in 'Manton Push Rods Top Alcohol Tech Questions' started by SoDak, Oct 30, 2013.

  1. SoDak

    SoDak Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2006
    Messages:
    1,509
    Likes Received:
    2
    My perception is the MBR engines are much more popular than the 10 l arias ever was. Why is this as I believe the concepts are the same. Is it that MBR is much better at supplying engines or maybe MBR heads are a lot better?
    What do you think the differences are between the 2?
     
    #1
  2. Kamikaze85

    Kamikaze85 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2008
    Messages:
    40
    Likes Received:
    0
    MBR took over the Fontana 8.3 which had taken over the Arias 8.3. As far as I know, all parts pretty much interchange regardless of which of the 3 you have (And Fontana has started making parts again recently?).
    The 10l Rhino engines were different beast from what I have gathered. Taller deck hight and a drasticly raised cam - Some development could be Oldsmobile derived, since I think some of the R&D turned into the New Century BBC block.

    Am I way off base here guys??
     
    #2
  3. SoDak

    SoDak Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2006
    Messages:
    1,509
    Likes Received:
    2
    I thought the MBR was based off of the 10 liter not the 8.3?

    I don't think the KB Olds/New Century has anything more to do with Oldsmobile then the name and maybe a p/n (wasn't this an NHRA prostock car thing?). I spoke to Joe Mondello (Oldsmobile guru) once about this being Oldsmobile and he was a little grumpy about it saying it had nothing to do with Oldsmobile.

    Anyway, what is the reason the MBR is so much more popular then the Arias was, is it making that much more power?
     
    #3
  4. SoDak

    SoDak Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2006
    Messages:
    1,509
    Likes Received:
    2
    My bad, it is the 8.3 that this is based from.
     
    #4
  5. NITROBANDIT1

    NITROBANDIT1 LOST IN SPACE

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2005
    Messages:
    644
    Likes Received:
    2
    Rhinos rule!

    not completely sure of the exact history besides arias selling to Fontana , Fontana selling to minor,etc , but the 10l is a completely different design especially with the raised cam deal. nobody except arias is doing anything with the old motors. minor didn't want it when he bought the 8.3 l . the new 8.3 has been completely updated with billet blocks from aj and cn with new design billet heads with roller rockers now and updated gear drive crank support cover. still a chevy crank and bore centerline. very popular engine in tafc and competitive. has been ruled out for nostalgia funny car by (rheel), but legal for most classes. im sure clint might chime in. the new engine is really nice with the ability to take the pistons out without disturbing the intake/blower, doesn't have the hemi rear main bearing issues due to the chevy rear main in the rear.the service is awesome. you can get ahold of bob any time for input, try calling brad and getting any info. doesn't happen. the only drawback to it is the price of parts. ridiculous. I cant afford new stuff ever, can only buy used and good used parts are really hard to find. almost everybody I talked to before I bought this deal was way happier with these engines than the brad or kb, and haven't changed back since! im sure ill get plummeted for this view, but I did a lot of research before I bought anything. I just wish I wasn't forced to buy a brad to go nfc racing (rheel once again). forgot to say Fontana started production again of heads,manifolds,covers and blocks, then pulled the plug on the whole thing, rick paradise was fired and apparently the new kids that took over cleaned out anybody that was there. I had heard arias was doing 10l stuff recently, but decided not to do 8.3 after all was said. also, funny how rules get changed after some phone calls are made. hmmmmmmmm
     
    #5
    Last edited: Oct 30, 2013
  6. REEHL EQUIPMENT

    REEHL EQUIPMENT Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2004
    Messages:
    1,402
    Likes Received:
    11
    The reason the Miner version is not allowed in N/FC is because the heads don't meet the rules.

    Neither does the BAE or AJ fatheads.

    If you can put AJ Chevy nost heads on the Miner block, it is legal for N/FC.

    Get your story right.
     
    #6
  7. TOL

    TOL Active Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2005
    Messages:
    1,088
    Likes Received:
    5
    Awhile back I had thought I heard that a tractor puller guy had bought the rights to the 10 litre and was now making new blocks & parts. The name escapes me at the minute (oldtimer's disease). Anyone else hear this?
     
    #7
  8. SoDak

    SoDak Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2006
    Messages:
    1,509
    Likes Received:
    2
    Was this recently? Maybe Bauer
     
    #8
  9. buckeyehauler

    buckeyehauler Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2006
    Messages:
    89
    Likes Received:
    1
    Mbr

    The 10 liter stuff was bought by Dale B. in WI. He's not doing anything with the stuff to my knowledge. Bob Miner has done a great job of supplying the truck/ tractor pulling world with great engines and dependable service and parts. It is starting to show, as the minerity is now becoming the majority. LoL. Results usually drives sales! ;) Jessie
     
    #9
  10. Frank Kramer

    Frank Kramer New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2009
    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    0
    Not sure but I think it was Billy Biers.
     
    #10
  11. buckeyehauler

    buckeyehauler Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2006
    Messages:
    89
    Likes Received:
    1
    Billy had a bunch of 3" main bearings made by clevite to fit the Arias/Fontana stuff that had 3" main cranks in them, which has since went by the wayside for the most part. Hope you are doing well Frank. I would love to come to Ahoy to watch this winter.
     
    #11
  12. SullivanPulling

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2012
    Messages:
    57
    Likes Received:
    0
    10l

    I think Eddie Carey from KY bought the rights to the 10l stuff a few years ago and started to make billet blocks. Not 100% if he is selling them or not but he has them in his trucks with "Billet 10" on the valve covers.
     
    #12
  13. Randy G.

    Randy G. Top Alcohol

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2003
    Messages:
    1,860
    Likes Received:
    20
    I think the success has to do with Bob and his hands on approach to his customers.
     
    #13
  14. jody stroud

    jody stroud ZOMBIE Top Dragster

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2007
    Messages:
    843
    Likes Received:
    10
    I'm really really,pleased with my MBR Rhino motor. I haven't found Bob's prices to be too high. His combo seems to be easy on a lot of internal parts, so if they cost a little more and last longer it may be a better deal. There are a couple of improvements that could be made but nothing to get in a twist about. The main reason Brad motors win more tad and tafc races is that way more racers run the Brad stuff. I know of more than a few racers that have told me they would like to try a Miner motor but have way too much invested in the Brad stuff to switch.
     
    #14
  15. Dave Germain

    Dave Germain New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2003
    Messages:
    896
    Likes Received:
    0
    Mbr

    I bought my first Miner motor in '07, I had ran the KB blocks with Walt Austin heads before that. I would never go back to the 426 based stuff again. I love the idea that I can pull the heads while leaving the blower and intake on the motor. Pulling the heads is a 10 minute job. The rear main bearing is the chevy bearing and the MBR motor never hurts rear mains. Not only does it have a really big bearing but the motor oils from back to front so the rear main gets full flow and the coldest oil. On the Chrysler based motors they oil from front to back so the rear main only gets whatever is left over after everything else is oiled and by then the oil has been thoroughly heated by flowing completely through the motor. Simple little design changes that make it much more reliable and so much easier to service when you do. They have been very successful in truck and tractor pulling and in time we will see them being very successful in drag racing too. Dave Germain
     
    #15
  16. lucky2wd

    lucky2wd Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2004
    Messages:
    146
    Likes Received:
    0
    Fontana

    Who is the Fontana Automotive in Brownsburg In. ??
     
    #16
  17. NITROBANDIT1

    NITROBANDIT1 LOST IN SPACE

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2005
    Messages:
    644
    Likes Received:
    2
    Will the real fontana step forward

    the Fontana in indy is the people who bought it from arias, then sold the 8.3 l to bob miner. they also made clevor blocks and 4 cyl midget stuff. their only business now is the 4 cyl midget spec motors on dirt I think. they have a good following this that class. the new people who bought it even started making 8.3l stuff very recently , (the deal they made with miner they couldn't build for so many years after he bought it) but pulled the plug on the whole thing. nobody knows why, but lots of unmachined stuff lying around for it. heres a cool video of my buddys old school 8.3 l doing a warmup! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1lJ5yqSY8A
     
    #17
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2013
  18. jody stroud

    jody stroud ZOMBIE Top Dragster

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2007
    Messages:
    843
    Likes Received:
    10
    Tell that to Joey Severance , Clint Thompson, Steve Gasprelli, Ken Perry, and Doug Gordon. Plus I outrun the hell out of late model Brad stuff on a regular basis in outlaw top dragster races. At the level we are at the tuner makes the difference.
     
    #18
  19. TOL

    TOL Active Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2005
    Messages:
    1,088
    Likes Received:
    5

    Is Rick at Fontana not making billet 8.3's through CN ?........
     
    #19
  20. Frank Kramer

    Frank Kramer New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2009
    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    0
    We are looking forward to pull against Adam Bauer there this winter..:D
     
    #20

Share This Page