16 Car Fields

Discussion in 'Pit Buzz' started by Blown Chances, Nov 2, 2011.

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16 Car Fields at Regionals

  1. I've raced TAD/TAFC at a divisional in the past year and WOULD want 16 car fields at Regionals.

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  2. I've raced TAD/TAFC at a divisional in the past year and WOULD NOT want 16 car fields at Regionals.

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  3. I'm a (Fan/Crew Member/Parts Supplier) of TAD/TAFC and WOULD want 16 car fields at Regionals.

    17 vote(s)
    50.0%
  4. I'm a (Fan/Crew Member/Parts Supplier) of TAD/TAFC and WOULD NOT want 16 car fields at Regionals.

    3 vote(s)
    8.8%
  1. Blown Chances

    Blown Chances New Member

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    With this rumored Regional series with fewer race opportunities we need to realize the number of available qualifying spots will decrease without modification to the current Divisional race structure.

    Very few people start at the top, running 5.20s in TAD or 5.50s in TAFC. Its also obvious the tracks' budgets don't allow for every race to be a national event purse. (Unless we were switched to the sportnational idea I proposed earlier this year, but that's not going to happen.)

    Anyway, keeping in mind that there will be fewer spots in the fields unless something is changed, would anyone be interested in having these Regionals be 16 car fields even though the first round didn't pay? As opposed to 3 qualifying sessions, increase the promotion of the show by having heads-up racing both nights for the track to try to attract a crowd.

    2 Day event.

    2 qualifiers Friday noon and 4:00 PM

    E1: (32 cars 16 TAD/16 TAFC) Friday 8:00 PM

    Saturday E2: (16 cars 8/8) 4:00 PM E3: (8 cars 4/4) 7:00 PM E4: (4 cars 2/2) 10:00 PM

    Free entry: Car driver +4 crew

    First Round loser doesn't pay anything, but at least the fields aren't too exclusive to keep the "new blood" coming into the class. Also, the points for a "Regional" isn't any different than for a national (both 4 round races). Night time eliminations to make it a more "promotable" show.

    If you don't make it to Saturday, you don't get paid. But at least you made the field and had a shot at doing some real heads-up racing.

    Flash
     
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  2. kosky racing

    kosky racing Comp Eliminator

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    What are you NUTS travel and race possibly for free??????
     
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  3. Bill Naves

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    Nuts

    Mike you are so cool!!
     
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  4. Darren Smith

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    If they do go to regional races, they had better Pay better than the current Div. races pay, or these races will be ghost towns too!
     
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  5. Randy G.

    Randy G. Top Alcohol

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    Man (scratching my head). As long as you guys have been around you still don't get it.
     
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  6. JustinatAce

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    Unless they cut the number of available number of races in half, how will we even fill a 16 car field? Let's go to the numbers... Most of the inflated numbers are courtesy of neighboring division runners, end of the season or convenience from last or next national event.

    1-1 - 14 TAD, 10 TAFC
    1-2 - 9, 8
    1-3 - 9, 9
    1-4 - 10, 10
    1-5 - 10, 9
    1-6 - 13, 12

    123 cars for 96 spots

    2-1 - 8, 3
    2-2 - 9, 4
    2-3 - 6, 5
    2-4 - 6, 3
    2-5 - 7, 3
    2-6 - 7, 8

    69 cars for 96 spots

    3-1 - 11, 13
    3-2 - 9, 12
    3-3 - 12, 14
    3-4 - 8, 6
    3-5 - No Alcohol
    3-6 - 8, 10

    103 cars for 80 spots

    4-1 - 5, 5
    4-2 - 8, 5
    4-3 - 7, 2
    4-4 - 7, 7
    4-5 - 9, 5
    4-6 - 10, 10

    80 cars for 96 spots

    5-1 - 7, 6
    5-2 - 5, 7
    5-3 - 4, 7
    5-4 - 7, 9
    5-5 - 8, 10
    5-6 - 8, 12

    90 cars for 96 spots

    6-1 - No Alcohol
    6-2 - 6, 6
    6-3 - 5, 6
    6-4 - 7, 13
    6-5 - 6, 9
    6-6 - 6, 5

    69 cars for 80 spots

    7-1 - 8, 8
    7-2 - 10, 13
    7-3 - 5, 11
    7-4 - 2, 5
    7-5 - No Alcohol
    7-6 - TBD

    62 cars for 64 spots

    3, 5, 6, 7 are all more Funny Car heavy as well as far as cars showing.
    1, 2, 4 are more Digger heavy.

    So far this season under the current structure, 596 cars have tried for 608 spots. 16 of 39 races (just assuming Vegas will have full fields) have had full fields, and that was with a generous heaping of D1 having 100% full fields, D3 being missing 100% full fields by 1 race. 20 Regionals with 16/16 would leave 640 spots to fill.. So what do you do? Eliminate all the races with short counts? If money is the issue at hand here, how is not paying first round out different from a DNQ other than 21 points?
     
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  7. Chuck Anderika

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    Let me enlighten you on the real #s. D1has 16 FC, 12 claim 1 3claim D2 (Virginia is in D1)and Lou Sgro didn't run divisionals this year. there are 14 dragsters 3 claim D2.Now let me give you a senerio for the first "MOCK" Eastern regional race at Reading.
    I roll in and see there are 20 maybe 22 FCs. I see Manzo Veney Tigges Gill Ferro Bojec Doc Carter ( he ran D1 & D3 the last 2 years)and maybe Hagen decides to show up. My crew says what do you think. Awnser" Put it on kill, it will take a 59 to qualify."
    Standing in the lanes before Q2 I hear the conversations " I'll never be able to qualify in this kind of field. I'll just park the car.
    If you think I'm wrong, just wait and see.
     
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  8. JustinatAce

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    National event wise, using the entry list for Pomona as a guide knowing Ferro is not going..

    6 of 16 Nationals have had full fields in both classes. 3 had over 40 or more total.
    Chicago 42 cars (20 TAD, 22 TAFC)
    Indy 41 cars (18 TAD, 23 TAFC)
    Reading 40 cars (18 TAD, 22 TAFC)

    TAD are the slackers( ;) ) with TAFC's outnumbering TAD's at 11 of 16 events.

    TAFC with a full field at 10 races, TAD at 8.

    Fat statman out!!
     
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  9. JustinatAce

    JustinatAce Member

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    Chuck, not trying to ruffle feathers here, but don't you take that chance now when you roll up to a points meet? Or to a national event for that matter? The progression of the classes in the last few years has been phenomenal. It's been getting downright hateful if you look at some of the big car field bumps. Unfortunately costs have escalated thanks to all the new fancy magic bullets and safety requirements. If someone quits because they can't afford to keep honing their combination or quit enjoying it, that's one thing, but if someone quits because they think they need all the magic bullets so and so has, I call bullshit.
     
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  10. Chuck Anderika

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    Juatin, under the current system we get full fields with 10 to 12 cars.as I stated 3cars runD2 and it seems no one comes to run against Manzo for an out of division race. a few cars always qualify and and the rest mix it up for the other spots so everyone at least gets a shot to fun a couple races. i don't think anyone never qualifies. If you combine basicly the 2 divisions with the most cars you will have cars who never qualify. there are new racers and many good racers who just don't have the means to run in the 50s and this system will throw them under the bus. To take your volunteer crew and ask them to take a day or two off work, drive to these races at $4.00 a gallon, put them up,and feed them is at least $1500. that's without a penny for the car. add in you other expenses and your at 3 to 4 thousand. now ask them to run for free with a 16 car field or not qualify for an 8 is an insult.
     
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  11. T.A.D. 776

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    I do not get why someone would want a Two day event on Friday and Saturday when most spectators are going to come on Saturday and Sunday? TAD and TAFC are the SHOW.

    Why is the poll limited only to drivers that raced this season. If you are a currently licenced driver with a car you should be able to vote. I say go ahead and vote.

    Free entry is not needed when the entry fees go towards insurance and such.
     
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  12. Barry Ferriolo

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    chuck - i'm with you 100 percent. i know you didn't do it intentionally, but there's a lot of good running cars that you didn't list. Justin - we go to races with the hope of qualifying. i can't imagine what it would be like knowing we have a ZERO chance.
     
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  13. kosky racing

    kosky racing Comp Eliminator

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    Guys you can take all the polls you want, and have as many of ideas as to how many spots you want ,but--- not to break your bubble this deal will be with 8 cars ,-- more travelinlg less races ,also the payouts that div.s now have will stay the same.
     
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